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submissive/slave ..... ok i have read and re-read almost every blog on here about the recent events in the basement and i think what y'all are missing is this ... jacina was upset because it was said in the basement "i will no longer address anyone as slave" well jacina is a slave and it is ger right to be addressed any damn way she wants so she said plain and simple "i am NOT a sub i am a slave if you can not address me as such then do not address me" ... BABs went in and tried to educate "3 times" and every time serving took off and would not even listen, did BABs attack? NO she tried many times to educate and was ignored .... i went in and started talking to sunny me and sunny have been real time friends a very long time and i disagreed with what she was saying so i was in there and told her my point of view did we fight?? absolutely NOT... i am so tired of us being the blame for every little injustice that goes in that room .. step back and take a look at who is whining in the room and who exactly is it that is name calling AGAIN ? did we judge ?? NO .... were we judged?? ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY not one of us attacked and not one of us tried to shove our opinions down another's throat we believe what we believe and we LIVE the lifestyle it is not some online game that we play to pass our time at work ... we don't pretend to know everything we try to ask questions and learn from each other ... none of us has done everything there is too do but between most of us that live it and practice it real time well we have tried alot of the things ... it is common place for us to be judged and told we should not call ourselves this that or the other thing we expect it from judgmental idealists and puritans so when a "reg member" of the room starts repeating the same things yes we are going to try and educate but when that person is not open to the opinions of those living it i have to ask Why Bother? she obviously is NOT open to learning ... so those of you calling us the wolf pack ... the crew ... the rabid dogs... the kliq ... y'all can come straight over and ASK what happened cause not one of you has had the balls yet to ask, you just all ASSUME whatever the hell you want and then preach about US being judgmental HA! good one ... ~mizzy~  |
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5/31/2007 4:08 am |
Mizzy, I don't often step into the arena of controversy, but the fact that you and jacina are sisters and the fact that I have a great deal of respect for BABs, I am going to. ~Smiles~ Just this once...  I think the word "slave" is a proper and fitting term for anyone in the BDSM lifestyle that chooses to offer themselves as a "slave". In the realm of BDSM, slave is NOT an insulting word. It is an honored and cherished position and is embraced willingly. To compare the two types of slavery that have been "discussed" is like calling a bear a goldfish. Yes, slavery in the third world countries is a sad and heartbreaking situation. But, with that being said, I have never seen jacina crying, depressed, angry, or upset that she is a slave. In fact, she is one of the most happy people I know. She lives her life as a slave because she "chooses" to...not because she "has" to. To me the difference is easy to see. The ones that are calling you the names needs to step back and take a look at themselves. They are condemning you and jac for the very same thing they are accusing you of. I find this all very confusing. I will usually stay out of a heated debate, but on this subject, I must offer my Amen. Education is essential in this lifestyle! Even if we don't agree with each other, we MUST be able to discuss it without it going as far as this has. Rabid dogs indeed! Now THAT is insulting imo !!!! With all the controversy and opposition that we face from the judges set forth in the world, it is important that we stick together and form a bond with each other in our lifestyle, building an unbreakable force until the world realizes WIITWD...~smiles~ It really is okay to "agree to disagree"...~Hugs~Luv you sis!~ ♥Samantha♥
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I must say that I agree that someone is wrong if they fail to recognize the difference between a bdsm slave, and one that has no choice. I must also say that if the attempt at education of another comes with either name calling or instructions to go scrub herself, then it is not education that is being offered. I spoke to serving and told her that I believed she was wrong to try to ignore the meaning and implications of not recognizing how the term slave is used in bdsm versus outside bdsm. She is reviewing her stance, but it is still up to her to determine how she feels about it, and what the consequences of the decision will bring. I did attempt to speak to BAB about this situation, telling her that I agreed with her viewpoint on the use of the word slave, and inquired why name calling was necessary or even supported. She refused to comment on it with me in regards to name calling, choosing silence over an explanation. So there was an attempt to find out what was going on with both sides of this debate. One side was willing to take a second look. The other side offered silence, so it is unknown what their thought process is at this time. I have the up most respect for BAB and all others involved. My disappointment stems from the manner in which all, and I do mean all, parties have handled this situation. We should be able to discuss this topic without running, calling names, or insulting each other. The manner in which we behave is always a choice. We can choose to behave correctly, or we can choose to hurt others. Isn't there enough hurt in the world? Shouldn't we be able to find sanctuary here with those like us? Shouldn't we be able to come here without any fear of harm, judgment, persecution? Shouldn't we be able to agree to disagree as adults? Please be proactive and not reactive when dealing with each other. Choose right over wrong. The manners we should have been taught when we were young, the respect for others, should apply even more so here. We should be family, disagreeing, but reconciling. Break the cycle of he said/she said. There are always 3 sides to every story.....theirs, ours, and the truth......no matter where you stand........there are always three sides. Let us strive to find the truth, live the truth, spread the truth. Please, be at peace with each other, and with yourselves.[[/B]B] Jedi Master Tim May the force be with you, always
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JediMaster typically i DO NOT respond to people on my blogs but in this cause i find i have to do so ... quoting you " did attempt to speak to BAB about this situation, telling her that I agreed with her viewpoint on the use of the word slave, and inquired why name calling was necessary or even supported. She refused to comment on it with me in regards to name calling, choosing silence over an explanation." perhaps BABs chose to ignore it because she had no idea why WE were being called names ... please re-look at my blog it was NOT us doing the name calling no one was told " if the attempt at education of another comes with either name calling or instructions to go scrub herself,( ? ) then it is not education that is being offered." a simple education was offered and it was ignored yes there is three sides but let me reassure you i HAVE the logs from all the encounters and i have looked it over many times searching for where servingmrbig was called anything and there is NOTHING .. and no one told her to go scrub herself ( ? ) now as for your statements of "Shouldn't we be able to find sanctuary here with those like us? Shouldn't we be able to come here without any fear of harm, judgment, persecution? " YES YES YES we should and being told that our chosen lifestyle is no better then the slaves and slave traders in Thailand IS judgmental .... i think perhaps if you are looking to find answers as to why the name calling was started you had best talk to the three that i KNOW have called us such things as rabid dogs and wolf pack ... i have stated in jacinas blog that servingmrbig is a liar and backstabber that is NOT a judgment that is personal experience and an opinion ~mizzy~
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Mizzy, I was not only referring to the in room exchange, but all of the blogs in which different parties were called names. I believe one of the individuals on your side of the debate did at some point call serving a ho, which has no determination on what the proper use of the word slave is. Just as those on your side of the debate should not have been referred to as rabid or a pack. This was my line of inquiry, is name calling supported, whether it is by one or both parties? I did not receive a response to this inquiry. I also stated that IF, IF these incidents occured in the original debate, then they were wrong. I did not state that they did in fact occur. My concern has always been the way we are treating each other. I would like to point out that I also stated that serving was wrong if she was lumping the two subjects together. My intent is to stop the finger pointing and begin the healing. Jedi Master Tim May the force be with you, always
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" believe one of the individuals on your side of the debate did at some point call serving a ho, which has no determination on what the proper use of the word slave is." .... that would be be me ~S~ and as i have already stated i have an OPINION of her is it valid absolutely i have a past with her which i prefer not to go into but from this past i am able to form opinions about her and her character based on my own personal experience .. i will not apologies for any part of it ... and when i wrote that it was nothing to do with the word slave and everything to do with her telling more lies about me and some friends ... ~mizzy~
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Mizzy, I have no problem with you having an opinion. And if someone is telling a lie, then call them a liar. And offer why it is a lie. Telling a lie does not make one a ho. Just as standing up for your belief does not make you a pack or clique. Having an opinion does not give an individual the right to use derogatory names. This is what I have always had issue with in regards to this entire matter. Jedi Master Tim May the force be with you, always
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ok JediMaster once again you are trying to turn my blog into some debate it is NOT a debate it is what happened FULL STOP .... not one of us called servingmrbig a name nor did we attack .... the attack came from her and a few of her friends ... thats when jacina sent up a blog and i said EXACTLY how i feel about her ... as for how i feel about her it is NOT up for debate ... i have had her in ignore since Sept 3rd 2006 i have my reasons for it and they are MY reasons not up for debate by you or anyone else ... i choose to ignore her and this is not something that will EVER change .... this BLOG is NOT about her definition of the word slave or her deciding not to use it ... it is about the names we were called as a result of her lies AGAIN .... ~mizzy~
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No, I was not in the room at the time of the incident. I have never claimed that I was. I have stated if, then when discussing the subject. Yes I did approach BAB more than once, after the blog posts, to inquire about what happened, as I have tried to talk to parties on both sides. Both sides offer different versions of what happened. I have removed the blog that Medusa requested. Yes, my goal all along has been to find peace and healing with this event. But if the parties involved do not wish peace and healing, then there will not be any. And because of this, in the future there will be another incident. Jedi Master Tim May the force be with you, always
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men. i thought the basement was fun. don't need any of that stuff.
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MzThang, Thank you for explaining what happened. Only the people that were present knows what occurred. I have spoken with many on this subject and excused the matter. Further, everyone is entitled to their opinion, however that doesn't mean I have to listen to it. As for you, Jedi; it was My choice to not further discuss the topic as I felt it was a "dead issue" you chose to bring it up to Me in the room OT. People can request all they want. That doesn't mean you get what you ask for. Did you learn that in BDSM 101? I did speak to you on the Leather Community, which I happen to have been a member of My entire life. I don't even recall you being in the room for more than a couple of weeks, unless you have changed your name. I do believe the entire difference here has everything to do with real time knowledge. That and the fact that we live in real time and not through the eyes of the cyber world. I am convinced that what was said by the three of us in the room was not out of line. As you know, I do have the transcripts. This is all I have left to say about this topic. Yes, we were judged. Yes, I know the difference in a slave in the BDSM sense and one held against their will. You know, I am an alumni of North Carolina State University. We are known as "The Wolf Pack" - Perhaps everyone wanted me to speak on this? As I have told many ... One thing I am is Consistent. I do believe in continuing education for those that have a genuine interest in WIITWD (What It Is That We Do) Copyright 1996-2007 Female Artist of Domination. I, on the other-hand have a low tolerance for those that fill their lives with nothing better to do than stir trouble. They are simply ignored in My World. Might I suggest everyone take a look at this outlook. Life is very short and should be lived fully. With Love to you and the Family darling. Talk with you soon. In Leather - After all the sex is gone, there is the mind - Lady Hunter / BAB Copyright © House of Lady Hunter 1998-2009 
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6/4/2007 3:19 am |
holy cow LOL i like how i got pulled in when i wasnt even around at that time... hmmmm is this history repeating itself?? the waa waaa feel sorry for my fatass cause i cant even pay anyone to find my cherry let alone pop it? i belive so. See I see it this way... 1... if you were not even there SHADDUP.... cause..well. you were not there so it shouldnt matter... 2.. if you aint gonna bother getting both sides... well in this case the damn truth then...again shaddup.
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