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Nexus of Sex and Religion
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7/15/2010 12:41 pm |
love to chat with you sometime
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7/17/2010 8:14 am |
The nexus of sex and organized religion from reading this blog come down to one thing in common.....Money. Even if you take a woman out for sex it will still cost a man Money. Maybe that is where Money has lost its appeal. Men feel sex is better.
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So, I've been busy for a few days but nice to see that there are a few comments to work with. I agree that organized religion is all about marketing, and money, and control ultimtely. Again, I ask, since men make so much more than women, (we get 77 cents to the dollar, still, even after Women's lib...) why do you keep paying for it? Stop it and then many aspects of your life might get better. As far as it costs money for a man to get sex, that is true for married men or those with a relationship, a location has to be made available for the sex acts to occur. If that issue weren't being dealt with, I would argue that no money need be spent. I can't tell you as a woman how many men want to play that expect me to host, and I have that as one of my few rules that I just don't. Safety is an issue, I really don't want people knowing where I live. Personally, I am an atheist, I don't think (or feel) some higher power is needed to let me find or fully experence my sexuality. Like Nelson Mandela I think that we are most afraid of how powerful we are, (to paraphrase him) and we find lots of ways to inhibit ourselves. The eastern religions have been around longer and have a few things to offer, (if they didn't people wouldn't gather around the ideas there) but I would argue that Tantric sex is just about allowing yourself to lower barriers with another (ie Trust) to fully explore and experience the physical reality to the point where the mind takes over and the body is just the vessel. You are what you think. Life's a Dance, Take a Chance & that old line about more than a mouthful is a waste? That's a lie!
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7/22/2010 7:26 pm |
So there Spokanereally, you do not need some higher power to have you experience your sexuality. And an athiest believes in nothing. Hmmm....well you should believe in yourself, which should include how far you can explore your sexuality. As far as money for sex and married men and men in relationships, there are almost as many women out there as well. And it is perfectly normal for feeling comfortable about having nobody know where you live. Safety is a real issue and everyone should follow those guidelines. Religion I must add had become a big business in this country. Our entire socio-economic system works on money. Tantric sex is the exploration of your sexuality and spirituality. Sex for money is the oldest profession in the world for a man to have a woman, so there goes your theory of women making less than men. Lets go back to the original subject- Nexus between organized religion and sex. Nexus means connection, organized religion and sex have no connection and you can ask all the seeking people on this site. Therefore I would conclude that you need to let me take you to a hotel room and talk about sex and not religion. So what do you think about that idea?
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I must sound awfully 'new-agey', sorry, but this is the best way I can describe it. You say the mind takes over the body. Granted, but then continue doing this long enough, and I bet that perhaps it will be the soul that starts taking over. Or maybe it's the unconscious, or maybe it's the same thing, who knows. You have come to my whole point. "Who Knows?" There is nothing definitive, nothing that can be proved regarding some exterior force. Clearly then, it must emanate from within. And it simply remains a point of contention when one belief system trys to gain the upperhand vis a vis another belief system. Liberation comes from freeing oneself from the need to cling to some idea that something exterior to ourselves is required. We have social needs, OK. We have physical needs, OK. We don't need to subject ourselves to any other concept to be fully realized. Again, I go back to my original question, if men want to get laid, and the women in a society are involved with religion that tells them "sex is bad" ( and they do say that) then why do men continue to fund these ridiculous organizations? Leave the purchase of the books by the swami's to defund the aspect of less organized religions. I would argue that one need only spend some time alone and without exterior stimulation, (read TV, radio, Music...) being truthful with oneself and then becoming aware of your own personal truths. Then, add people...smirk... Life's a Dance, Take a Chance & that old line about more than a mouthful is a waste? That's a lie!
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I agree that religious preference seems to be merely nurture vs nature. I did a quantitative study of religiousity while working on my masters degree and discovered that people even choose thier particular church (Note: regardless of denomination!) by the feeling of welcome that they felt by the people who attended the church. This too is nurture, though post-formantive. I found this fascinating and it disturbed my Jesuit Professors to no end! With regard to the occasional opportunity to actually think freely, I'd have more appreciation for Martin Luther, or the Mormons, or the 7th day adventists if any of them had shirked the yolk of letting some exterior force (read Mythical, unproven, unprovable) take all the responsibility for the world situations and had instead laid accountability for ourselves at our own feet. It is comforting apparently for many people to just say, "it's out of my hands", "que sara, sara", "what will be, will be" and lo those many iterations of passing the buck. That is not to imply that I think we can control everything, but I simply don't believe that I need to imagine some deity sitting on a cloud, or a throne, or whatever... to be the vessel for passing the fears of inadequacy or inability to control everything. Like a surfer knows not to fight the ocean, just relax and understand that we are not the be all and end all. Many things are greater than we are, one need not make things up to understand this fact. This thought actually addresses your third aspect of restrictive religious choices, as well. We might equate that to the same mental processes that encourage some people to truly enjoy severe bondage and masochism. At some extremes, this may actually reflect a severe state of mental illness. Life's a Dance, Take a Chance & that old line about more than a mouthful is a waste? That's a lie!
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I did a breif stint doing comparative religions for my own purposes when I was a kid, and you are pretty correct in understanding that if I were to have a natural inclination toward anything, it would be toward Taoism or Buddism. The old, "what goes around, comes around" kind of concept. I found I didn't need any sort of ordered religion to let me know that I achieved the greatest happiness from giving and from being someone people could count on and like, for that sake alone. I grew up in the islands and the power of nature was so obvious to me, the futility of trying to control or engineer our way into control so visible, that I was able to see a clearer, less cluttered path for myself. Still, it doesn't answer why so many men pay to maintain organized religion which prohibits their women from giving what they so obviously want and need. America's Southern Baptists are much like the Taliabn in my estimation... Bigots and small mindedness, unfettered by education...very sad... Life's a Dance, Take a Chance & that old line about more than a mouthful is a waste? That's a lie!
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So religion, on moral grounds, will discourage the natural inclinations of humans to fool around. Is not 'fooling around' just another form of greed, in a way? I mean, the husband already has a wife. Is that not yet sufficient? To make it stick, religions threaten with damnation and hellfire. So it's moral for religions to allow multiple wives? Or how about the catholic concept of "it never happened" weddings, which I might add, may have been the camel's nose under the tent that allowed the concept to permit the inaction of the church to stop the pedophilia. This category of criminal neglect should be indicative of the entire idea that a religion should be allowed to dictate the behaviors which are entirely secular. Please! It's just all about control, and I refuse to let any one be in control of my mind, my body, my spirit. I do not have to be tolerant of ignorance, of the desire for control of others, of greed. Are these people, those who accept religious restrictions on their sexuality, doing this out of fear? Or perhaps they are evolved and balanced humans who have decided to adopt this religious sexual code of conduct in order to be in harmony with their neighbors, respect for their spouse, and to provide a safe and happy environment for their children to grow up in? If folks want to be in harmony, live in respect, and provide safe and happy environs for children, wonderful...but where is the need religion in that? Sounds like a purely pedantic concept that one simply acknowledges and then proceeds to incorporate into one's life... I am an advocate for thinking, not believing. Once one "believes" in something, it seems to liberate them from having to "think" about it any more. Not a great concept for the furtherance of the scientific method. If you believe in the toothfairy, that doesn't mean there is one....And yes, I had this conversation with my children... Life's a Dance, Take a Chance & that old line about more than a mouthful is a waste? That's a lie!
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9/6/2010 10:17 am |
Hey I realize that this has nothing to do with the post, but I would really love to chat with you and hopefully meet up sometime. Let me know if you are interested.
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Hi Kaimuki kid, what do you want to talk about? where are your pix? Your profile is kinda slim on details... Life's a Dance, Take a Chance & that old line about more than a mouthful is a waste? That's a lie!
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12/22/2010 9:27 am |
welcome back to Spokane babe
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2/24/2011 11:13 am |
Would love to chat with you. would really love to have some fun with you
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"Men go crazy in congregations. They only get better one by one." ~ Sting
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I think for those that create that kind of a problem for themselves with religion - trying to understand and interpret it for their own control of other people - are really missing out.
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I'm not a supporter of organized religion but if I find one that: 1) Does not accept money (food, work, a place to stay, etc. is OK). 2) Does not try to make converts and makes joining difficult (perhaps a year of serious study). 3) Expects members to follow the purported beliefs (turn the other cheek/not kill means no war). 4) Every assumption is constantly revaluated (no magic book or person). I will certainly consider it.
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